{"id":16328,"date":"2017-10-10T11:42:49","date_gmt":"2017-10-10T09:42:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.redanalysis.org\/?p=16328"},"modified":"2022-11-07T17:18:28","modified_gmt":"2022-11-07T16:18:28","slug":"signal-relations-politiques-espagne-en-suite-catalogne-potentiel-ind%c3%a9pendance-d%c3%a9claration","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/10\/signal-political-dealings-spain-ahead-catalonia-potential-independence-declaration\/","title":{"rendered":"Signal : Op\u00e9rations et sc\u00e9narios politiques en Espagne contre la Catalogne"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: justify; background-color: #f6f5f5; border-top: 3px solid #ce0022; border-bottom: 3px solid #ce0022; padding: 0.5em; padding-bottom: 0em; margin-bottom: 20px;\">\n<h3><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Impact sur les questions<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #4159f4;\">\u2798<\/span> + <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> \u2799 <\/span><span style=\"color: #f4a341;\">\u2782&nbsp;<\/span>&nbsp;Catalogne contre Espagne (voir les sc\u00e9narios ci-dessous) -&nbsp;<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u279a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #f4ce42;\">\u2781&nbsp;<\/span>S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds des nations au sein de l'UE... et dans le monde<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #4159f4;\">Avertissement (Opportunit\u00e9)&nbsp;<\/span>- L'occasion de planifier l'avenir de l'UE et de ses \u00c9tats membres, ainsi que du monde entier ?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">L'ind\u00e9pendance doit \u00eatre d\u00e9clar\u00e9e par le pr\u00e9sident de la Catalogne, Carles Puigdemont, le 10 octobre 2017 dans l'apr\u00e8s-midi. Pendant ce temps, les dirigeants politiques s\u00e9cessionnistes de Catalogne auraient \u00e9galement essay\u00e9 de n\u00e9gocier un accord avec les socialistes espagnols, les Podemos et les nationalistes basques. Un tel accord permettrait alors de forcer le Premier ministre Rajoy \u00e0 partir et, tr\u00e8s probablement, d'essayer de le remplacer par un dirigeant qui non seulement accepterait l'ind\u00e9pendance de la Catalogne mais qui travaillerait \u00e9galement avec la Catalogne pour la rendre possible, c'est-\u00e0-dire que cela se ferait de mani\u00e8re constructive.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Selon Bloomberg (ci-dessous), il est peu probable que les socialistes acceptent. Pourtant, ce serait tr\u00e8s probablement la voie la moins dangereuse et la moins d\u00e9sagr\u00e9able pour l'Espagne et la Catalogne.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pourtant, si ce sc\u00e9nario improbable devait se produire, l'impact serait \u00e9norme pour l'Union europ\u00e9enne et ses \u00c9tats membres, car d'autres pourraient suivre la Catalogne.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Il faut ici rappeler que ni l'Union europ\u00e9enne ni ses membres, ni pour cela tous les acteurs, ne doivent trouver cette \u00e9volution des \u00e9v\u00e9nements surprenante. En effet, s'ils avaient pr\u00eat\u00e9 attention ou appliqu\u00e9 les connaissances offertes par la science politique sur le nationalisme, la nation et la construction de la nation, ils sauraient que si l'on change l'\u00c9tat moderne, alors on a aussi un impact imm\u00e9diat sur la nation. Il a en effet \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9montr\u00e9 par les th\u00e9oriciens modernistes de la nation, tels que Gellner, Smith ou Anderson, que la nation est un enfant de l'\u00c9tat moderne. Comme l'Union europ\u00e9enne modifie par essence les structures et le processus de l'\u00c9tat moderne, il s'ensuit logiquement que les nations qui existaient seront \u00e9galement touch\u00e9es.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull alignright\"><p>Liens connexes<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2012\/06\/09\/bibliographie-sur-le-futur-de-l%c3%a9tat-et-de-la-gouvernance\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bibliographie - L'avenir de l'\u00c9tat-nation<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2012\/05\/23\/cartes-de-puissance\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Le pouvoir des cartes<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Les nations que l'on croyait proches de l'\u00c9tat moderne dans ses fronti\u00e8res ne le sont plus. Elles ont \u00e9volu\u00e9 sous l'action \u00e0 la fois de l'Union europ\u00e9enne et des \u00c9tats plus faibles et changeants qui en sont devenus membres.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ce sont des dynamiques qu'il faut envisager le plus pacifiquement possible - et le plus correctement et le plus constructivement possible - car elles ne s'arr\u00eateront pas mais, au contraire, risquent fort de se poursuivre, non seulement en Espagne mais aussi ailleurs. Nous pouvons m\u00eame aller plus loin que l'Union europ\u00e9enne : les d\u00e9cennies de \"mondialisation\" et de n\u00e9olib\u00e9ralisme ayant profond\u00e9ment marqu\u00e9 l'\u00c9tat, le ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne en question pourrait ne pas \u00eatre seulement europ\u00e9en, mais ... mondial, et devrait \u00eatre envisag\u00e9 comme tel. Ici, parce que, pour une fois, les responsables politiques et les d\u00e9cideurs sont contraints de se confronter \u00e0 des dynamiques politiques qu'ils n'ont pas comprises ou qu'ils ont ni\u00e9es, nous avons une plus grande possibilit\u00e9 d'anticiper correctement l'avenir et donc de concevoir des lignes d'action correctes, en fonction des objectifs.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">En outre, l'article de Bloomberg utilise - enfin - des sc\u00e9narios pour envisager la fa\u00e7on dont la situation pourrait \u00e9voluer entre l'Espagne et la Catalogne. Cependant, ils se limitent \u00e0 un avenir tr\u00e8s proche et s'abstiennent d'envisager r\u00e9ellement les cons\u00e9quences, voire de les fuir en disant \"la suite des \u00e9v\u00e9nements, c'est \u00e0 chacun de la deviner\".<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull alignright\"><p>Liens connexes<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2013\/11\/18\/m%c3%a9thodologie-op%c3%a9rationnelle-menaces-s%c3%a9curit%c3%a9\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Vers une m\u00e9thodologie op\u00e9rationnelle d'analyse des menaces futures pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et du risque politique (1)<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00e0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2014\/01\/13\/comment-analyser-les-futures-menaces-s%c3%a9curit%c3%a9-5-sc%c3%a9narios-et-crises\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Comment analyser les menaces futures pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 (5) : Sc\u00e9narios et crises<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Il ne s'agit pas d'une supposition. Les sc\u00e9narios peuvent et, en fait, doivent \u00eatre construits d\u00e9j\u00e0 au-del\u00e0 de cet avenir \u00e0 tr\u00e8s court terme. La compr\u00e9hension de l'escalade, des crises et des conflits, telle qu'elle implique la politique identitaire et le nationalisme - c'est-\u00e0-dire les sciences politiques et les relations internationales - a beaucoup \u00e0 apporter \u00e0 l'\u00e9laboration de ces sc\u00e9narios, que nous verrons de toute fa\u00e7on se d\u00e9rouler \u00e0 l'avenir.<\/p>\n<p>Il est d\u00e9j\u00e0 possible de donner un cadre g\u00e9n\u00e9ral et des points d'arriv\u00e9e possibles (mais en aucun cas certains) pour chacun des quatre sc\u00e9narios correctement identifi\u00e9s par Bloomberg (- \u00e0 noter qu'une \u00e9laboration de sc\u00e9narios appropri\u00e9e permettrait de faire \u00e9merger d'autres sc\u00e9narios pour chaque branche et que ceux-ci peuvent \u00eatre coupl\u00e9s \u00e0 des \"sc\u00e9narios pour l'Europe\") :<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> \u279a <\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u2784&nbsp;<\/span><strong>D\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance + urgence<\/strong>L'escalade vers la violence avec la possibilit\u00e9 d'une guerre civile \u00e0 terme ;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #4159f4;\"> \u2798&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #4ef442;\">\u2780&nbsp;<\/span> D\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance + Pas d'urgence<\/strong>La stabilisation avec une ind\u00e9pendance constructive ;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Pas de d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance + urgence<\/strong>:<br \/>\n<strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> \u2798 <\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u2780&nbsp;<\/span><\/strong>Soit les s\u00e9cessionnistes ont effectivement perdu - comme l'envisageait Bloomberg - mais avec un impact n\u00e9gatif sur le moral et la structure de toute la Catalogne ;<br \/>\n<strong>Ou<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> \u279a\u279a <\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u2784 <\/span><\/strong>Une tension renouvel\u00e9e et pire encore vers l'ind\u00e9pendance, car un sentiment profond d'injustice s'installera \u00e9galement. Une probabilit\u00e9 accrue de polarisation et de violence, de ressentiment et, en fin de compte, de guerre civile ;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #4159f4;\"> \u2798 <\/span><strong><span style=\"color: #4ef442;\">\u2780&nbsp;<\/span>Pas de d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance + pas d'urgence<\/strong>: <\/strong>Retour \u00e0 la situation pr\u00e9c\u00e9dente, stabilisation .<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"embedly-card\" data-card-controls=\"0\">\n<h4><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2017-10-09\/catalans-are-said-to-offer-spanish-socialists-pact-to-oust-rajoy\">Les Catalans proposent un pacte socialiste espagnol \u00e0 Oust Rajoy<\/a><\/h4>\n<p>Les s\u00e9cessionnistes catalans ont ouvert un second front dans leur campagne contre le gouvernement \u00e0 Madrid, en exhortant les socialistes de l'opposition \u00e0 former une coalition pour \u00e9vincer le Premier ministre espagnol Mariano Rajoy, selon deux personnes ayant connaissance de la port\u00e9e de la campagne.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" src=\"\/\/cdn.embedly.com\/widgets\/platform.js\" charset=\"UTF-8\"><\/script><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Impact sur les enjeux \u2798 + \u2799 \u2782 Catalogne contre l'Espagne (voir les sc\u00e9narios d\u00e9crits plus loin) - \u279a \u2781 S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds de nations au sein de l'UE... et dans le monde Avertissement (opportunit\u00e9) - Opportunit\u00e9 de planifier l'avenir pour l'UE et ses \u00c9tats membres, ainsi que dans le monde entier ? L'ind\u00e9pendance est cens\u00e9e \u00eatre d\u00e9clar\u00e9e par le pr\u00e9sident catalan Carles Puigdemont le 10 ... <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/10\/signal-political-dealings-spain-ahead-catalonia-potential-independence-declaration\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> \" Signal : N\u00e9gociations et sc\u00e9narios politiques en Espagne et en Catalogne \"<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2502,3243,2544,1583],"tags":[1378,1967,328,561,2560,2549,514],"class_list":["post-16328","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-europe","category-future-wars","category-horizon-scanning-board","category-analysis-the-future-of-the-modern-state","tag-catalonia","tag-eu","tag-globalisation","tag-neo-liberalism","tag-open-access","tag-signal","tag-spain","entry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Signal: Political Dealings and Scenarios in Spain vs Catalonia &#8226; 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