{"id":16385,"date":"2017-10-11T10:06:04","date_gmt":"2017-10-11T08:06:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.redanalysis.org\/?p=16385"},"modified":"2022-11-07T17:18:00","modified_gmt":"2022-11-07T16:18:00","slug":"signaux-catalogne-d%c3%a9claration-ind%c3%a9pendance-espagne-r%c3%a9action","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/11\/signals-catalonia-declaration-independence-spain-reaction\/","title":{"rendered":"Les signaux : D\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance de la Catalogne, r\u00e9action de l'Espagne (mise \u00e0 jour 16:04 CET 11 oct 2017)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: justify; background-color: #f6f5f5; border-top: 3px solid #ce0022; border-bottom: 3px solid #ce0022; padding: 0.5em; padding-bottom: 0em; margin-bottom: 20px;\">\n<h3><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Impact sur les questions<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #4159f4;\">\u2798<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u279a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #f4a341;\">\u2782&nbsp;<\/span>&nbsp;Catalogne contre Espagne<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u279a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #f4ce42;\">\u2781&nbsp;<\/span>S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds des nations au sein de l'UE... et dans le monde<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Si Madrid se montre conciliante, la mani\u00e8re dont la Catalogne a propos\u00e9 de rendre op\u00e9rationnelle l'ind\u00e9pendance qu'elle a d\u00e9clar\u00e9e pourrait \u00eatre stabilisante. Il est cependant peu probable que les \u00e9v\u00e9nements se d\u00e9roulent de mani\u00e8re simple et pacifique, compte tenu de la position de l'Espagne le 10 octobre au soir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Une accalmie ou plut\u00f4t une r\u00e9p\u00e9tition des \u00e9v\u00e9nements du 10 octobre et du 11 octobre matin a \u00e9t\u00e9 cr\u00e9\u00e9e par le pr\u00e9sident du gouvernement espagnol Rajoy suite \u00e0 la r\u00e9union extraordinaire du Conseil des ministres sur l'ind\u00e9pendance de la Catalogne qui s'est tenue le 11 oct 2017. M. Rajoy a demand\u00e9 \u00e0 la Catalogne de mettre fin \u00e0 l'incertitude et de dire clairement si la Catalogne avait ou non d\u00e9clar\u00e9 son ind\u00e9pendance. Il a soulign\u00e9 le souhait du gouvernement espagnol d'un retour \u00e0 la l\u00e9galit\u00e9 et \u00e0 la normalit\u00e9, brandissant toutefois aussi la menace de l'art. 155 (l'art. par lequel l'Espagne peut prendre en charge la gouvernance de la Catalogne et ainsi suspendre l'autonomie de la Catalogne).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">En cons\u00e9quence, bien qu'il ait sembl\u00e9 clair, \u00e0 partir des \u00e9l\u00e9ments du 10 octobre (voir d\u00e9tail ci-dessous), que la Catalogne avait d\u00e9clar\u00e9 son ind\u00e9pendance, l'incertitude a \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9introduite.... jusqu'\u00e0 la prochaine d\u00e9claration de la Catalogne.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">On peut supposer que Madrid a tr\u00e8s clairement compris la position de la Catalogne, sinon elle n'aurait pas convoqu\u00e9 la r\u00e9union extraordinaire. Toutefois, compte tenu des cons\u00e9quences d\u00e9sastreuses possibles, ils ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de surfer sur la confusion g\u00e9n\u00e9rale r\u00e9pandue par les m\u00e9dias pour donner \u00e0 la Catalogne ce qu'ils pourraient consid\u00e9rer comme une seconde chance de renoncer \u00e0 l'ind\u00e9pendance.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La probabilit\u00e9 de voir la Catalogne tenir t\u00eate \u00e0 sa d\u00e9claration pr\u00e9alable semble plus \u00e9lev\u00e9e que celle de la voir s'incliner. Cependant, les dirigeants de la Catalogne sont \u00e9galement soumis \u00e0 une \u00e9norme pression de la part de tous les acteurs. C'est pourquoi les sc\u00e9narios sont le meilleur moyen de naviguer dans les incertitudes politiques et g\u00e9opolitiques, car ils permettent de pr\u00e9voir tout l'\u00e9ventail des possibilit\u00e9s et de ne pas devenir la proie d'un \"jeu de pr\u00e9diction\" impossible.<\/p>\n<h3>Signaux du 10 octobre 2017<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Le pr\u00e9sident de la Catalogne, Carles Puigdemont, a en effet d\u00e9clar\u00e9 l'ind\u00e9pendance le 10 octobre 2017 \u00e0 l'issue de son discours au Parlement de Catalogne, la Catalogne devenant une r\u00e9publique :<\/p>\n<div class=\"embed-x\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pr\u00e9sident <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/KRLS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@KRLS<\/a>: \"Aujourd'hui, j'assume le mandat pour que la Catalogne devienne un \u00c9tat ind\u00e9pendant sous la forme d'une r\u00e9publique\"<\/p>\n<p>- Gouvernement catalan (@catalangov) <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/catalangov\/status\/917806871800635393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">10 octobre 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.x.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance est confirm\u00e9e par la signature du <em>D\u00e9claration des repr\u00e9sentants de la Catalogne<\/em> qui ont suivi selon lequel :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\"La Catalogne restaure aujourd'hui sa pleine souverainet\u00e9...<\/p>\n<p>Nous appelons tous les \u00c9tats et les organisations internationales<strong> de reconna\u00eetre la R\u00e9publique catalane comme un \u00c9tat ind\u00e9pendant et souverain.<\/strong> Nous appelons le gouvernement catalan \u00e0 prendre toutes les mesures n\u00e9cessaires pour rendre possible et pleinement effective cette d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance et les mesures contenues dans la loi de transition qui fonde la r\u00e9publique\".<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"embedly-card\" data-card-controls=\"0\">\n<h4><a href=\"http:\/\/uk.reuters.com\/article\/us-spain-politics-catalonia-document\/catalan-leader-signs-document-declaring-independence-from-spain-idUSKBN1CF2VI?il=0\">Le dirigeant catalan signe un document d\u00e9clarant l'ind\u00e9pendance de l'Espagne<\/a><\/h4>\n<p>Le dirigeant catalan Carles Puigdemont et d'autres hommes politiques r\u00e9gionaux ont sign\u00e9 un document d\u00e9clarant l'ind\u00e9pendance de la Catalogne vis-\u00e0-vis de l'Espagne, mais il n'\u00e9tait pas clair si ce document aurait une valeur juridique.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" src=\"\/\/cdn.embedly.com\/widgets\/platform.js\" charset=\"UTF-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">On y recherche notamment la partie internationale de la l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 de l'\u00c9tat, que, selon les d\u00e9clarations existantes des gouvernements internationaux, la Catalogne n'est, pour l'instant, pas susceptible d'obtenir facilement.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Apr\u00e8s la d\u00e9claration initiale, le pr\u00e9sident Puigdemont a \u00e9galement appel\u00e9 \u00e0 suspendre les effets de la d\u00e9claration pour ouvrir une p\u00e9riode de dialogue :<\/p>\n<div class=\"embed-x\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pr\u00e9sident <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/KRLS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@KRLS<\/a>: \"Nous proposons la suspension des effets de la d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance pendant quelques semaines, afin d'ouvrir une p\u00e9riode de dialogue\"<\/p>\n<p>- Gouvernement catalan (@catalangov) <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/catalangov\/status\/917807509657841668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">10 octobre 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.x.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ce n'est rien d'autre que du bon sens et de la gouvernance. En effet, seul un mauvais gouvernant - et des individus ignorants - pourraient croire qu'une v\u00e9ritable ind\u00e9pendance pourrait devenir op\u00e9rationnelle en un clin d'\u0153il, sans travailler de mani\u00e8re constructive et pacifique (dans l'id\u00e9al) sur la fa\u00e7on dont la s\u00e9paration pourrait avoir lieu, non seulement \u00e0 tous les niveaux de l'administration de l'\u00c9tat mais aussi en termes d'infrastructures par exemple. Cela montre donc non pas l'ind\u00e9cision mais le sens pratique et la d\u00e9termination, ainsi que la volont\u00e9 de mettre en \u0153uvre l'ind\u00e9pendance aussi bien et pacifiquement que possible.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Madrid, cependant, n'est pas susceptible d'accepter l'ind\u00e9pendance et sa mise en \u0153uvre pacifique par le biais de n\u00e9gociations, comme l'a indiqu\u00e9 la vice-premi\u00e8re ministre Soraya Saenz de Santamaria dans son discours du 10 octobre au soir (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lamoncloa.gob.es\/serviciosdeprensa\/notasprensa\/mpr\/Paginas\/2017\/101017declaracion.aspx?galv2r=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Transcription officielle du discours de la vice-pr\u00e9sidente Soraya Saenz de Santamaria - 10 octobre 2017<\/a>). Puis, elle a notamment annonc\u00e9 que le pr\u00e9sident du gouvernement avait convoqu\u00e9 un Conseil des ministres extraordinaire le 11 octobre \u00e0 9 heures pour traiter de la situation en Catalogne.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La d\u00e9cision de Madrid sur la question du Conseil aurait d\u00fb d\u00e9terminer comment les \u00e9v\u00e9nements se d\u00e9rouleraient ensuite, vers une nouvelle escalade ou une stabilisation, si une deuxi\u00e8me s\u00e9rie de d\u00e9clarations n'avait pas \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9cid\u00e9e par le pr\u00e9sident du gouvernement Rajoy.<\/p>\n<div class=\"embed-x\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"es\" dir=\"ltr\">El Presidente del Gobierno <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/marianorajoy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@MarianoRajoy<\/a> ha convocado un <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/hashtag\/CMin?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#CMin<\/a> extraordinario ma\u00f1ana a las 9h para tratar lo sucedido hoy en Catalu\u00f1a<\/p>\n<p>- Soraya S\u00e1enz de Santamar\u00eda (@sorayasds) <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/sorayasds\/status\/917852616230670339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">10 octobre 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.x.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Impact sur les enjeux \u2798\u279a \u2782 Catalogne vs Espagne \u279a \u2781 S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds de nations au sein de l'UE... et au niveau mondial Si Madrid se montre conciliant, la mani\u00e8re dont la Catalogne a propos\u00e9 de rendre op\u00e9rationnelle l'ind\u00e9pendance qu'elle a d\u00e9clar\u00e9e pourrait \u00eatre stabilisante. Il est toutefois peu probable que les \u00e9v\u00e9nements se d\u00e9roulent aussi simplement et pacifiquement, compte tenu de la position de l'Espagne le 10 octobre au soir. Une accalmie ou ... <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/11\/signals-catalonia-declaration-independence-spain-reaction\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> \" Signaux : D\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance de la Catalogne, r\u00e9action de l'Espagne (mis \u00e0 jour 16:04 CET 11 Oct 2017) \"<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2502,3243,2544,1583],"tags":[2560,2549],"class_list":["post-16385","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-europe","category-future-wars","category-horizon-scanning-board","category-analysis-the-future-of-the-modern-state","tag-open-access","tag-signal","entry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Signals: Catalonia Declaration of Independence, Spain Reaction (updated 16:04 CET 11 Oct 2017) &#8226; The Red Team Analysis Society<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/11\/signaux-catalogne-d\u00e9claration-ind\u00e9pendance-espagne-r\u00e9action\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Signals: Catalonia Declaration of Independence, Spain Reaction (updated 16:04 CET 11 Oct 2017) &#8226; The Red Team Analysis Society\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Impact on Issues \u2798\u279a&nbsp;\u2782&nbsp;&nbsp;Catalonia vs Spain \u279a&nbsp;\u2781&nbsp;Secessions and deep changes of nations within the EU&#8230; and globally Should Madrid be conciliant, the way Catalonia offered to operationalise the independence it declared could be stabilising. 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