{"id":16565,"date":"2017-10-17T09:56:52","date_gmt":"2017-10-17T07:56:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.redanalysis.org\/?p=16565"},"modified":"2022-11-07T17:16:03","modified_gmt":"2022-11-07T16:16:03","slug":"signals-catalonie-reponse-espagne-prisons-deux-catalans-leaders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/17\/signals-catalonia-answers-spain-spain-jails-two-catalan-leaders\/","title":{"rendered":"Les signaux : La Catalogne r\u00e9pond \u00e0 l'Espagne, l'Espagne emprisonne deux dirigeants catalans..."},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: justify; background-color: #f6f5f5; border-top: 3px solid #ce0022; border-bottom: 3px solid #ce0022; padding: 0.5em; padding-bottom: 0em; margin-bottom: 20px;\">\n<h3><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Impact sur les questions<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u279a\u279a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #f4a341;\">\u2782&nbsp;<\/span>&nbsp;Les troubles civils en Catalogne contre l'Espagne<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u279a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"color: #f4ce42;\">\u2781&nbsp;<\/span>S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds des nations au sein de l'UE... et dans le monde<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Le 16 octobre 2017 au matin, Carlos Puigdemont a r\u00e9pondu \u00e0 l'ultimatum de Madrid (voir <a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/11\/signaux-catalogne-d%c3%a9claration-ind%c3%a9pendance-espagne-r%c3%a9action\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">signal pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent<\/a>) par le biais d'une lettre (comme indiqu\u00e9 ci-dessous).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La lettre montre une volont\u00e9 de rester sur les positions exprim\u00e9es le 10 octobre, tout en essayant de respecter les souhaits de tous les acteurs ext\u00e9rieurs de voir des n\u00e9gociations. Elle n'a pas apport\u00e9 beaucoup de changements \u00e0 ce qui avait \u00e9t\u00e9 dit le 10 octobre.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull alignright\"><p>Pour les signaux pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents et autres, consultez le<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/categorie\/produits-et-services\/surveillance-et-alerte\/tableau-danalyse-de-lhorizon\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tableau d'analyse Horizon<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Il ne r\u00e9pond pas directement \u00e0 la question de la \"d\u00e9claration d'ind\u00e9pendance ou non\" et a \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9dig\u00e9 dans un style qui montre, tr\u00e8s probablement de plein gr\u00e9, le refus de s'incliner devant Madrid. En effet, Puigdemont a demand\u00e9, comme geste de bonne volont\u00e9, un renversement de la politique de r\u00e9pression contre le peuple catalan, notamment la lib\u00e9ration des deux dirigeants s\u00e9paratistes.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Il \u00e9tait peu probable que cela satisfasse Madrid et le gouvernement du Premier ministre Rajoy. Quelques heures plus tard, l'Espagne a emprisonn\u00e9 High Curt, dans l'attente d'une enqu\u00eate et sans caution, les deux dirigeants en question, ce qui peut \u00eatre consid\u00e9r\u00e9 comme une premi\u00e8re r\u00e9ponse de Madrid \u00e0 Barcelone.<\/p>\n<div class=\"embed-x\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">L'emprisonnement de <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/jcuixart?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@jcuixart<\/a> et <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/jordisanchezp?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@jordisanchezp<\/a> est une tr\u00e8s mauvaise nouvelle. Ils ont l'intention d'emprisonner les id\u00e9es mais au lieu de cela, ils renforcent notre besoin de libert\u00e9 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/D1YtzWMGFF\">https:\/\/t.co\/D1YtzWMGFF<\/a><\/p>\n<p>- Gouvernement catalan (@catalangov) <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/catalangov\/status\/920020181396676609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">16 octobre 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.x.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">La Catalogne a maintenant jusqu'\u00e0 jeudi pour souligner qu'elle ne d\u00e9clare pas son ind\u00e9pendance, et \u00e0 d\u00e9faut, Madrid utilisera l'art. 155 de la constitution espagnole pour prendre le contr\u00f4le du gouvernement catalan.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">L'escalade est donc \u00e0 l'\u0153uvre, les deux parties ayant des positions irr\u00e9conciliables. Nous nous dirigeons progressivement mais s\u00fbrement vers des \"troubles civils\", pour utiliser des termes moins effrayants que la guerre civile.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Les deux grandes questions et incertitudes sont maintenant la volont\u00e9 des Catalans de lutter - c'est-\u00e0-dire d'utiliser la violence - pour obtenir leur ind\u00e9pendance, et la capacit\u00e9 de l'Espagne \u00e0 dissuader et \u00e0 arr\u00eater tout usage de la violence par les Catalans.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-16567 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"827\" height=\"1169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct.jpeg 827w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-250x353.jpeg 250w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-300x424.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-212x300.jpeg 212w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-768x1086.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-724x1024.jpeg 724w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-1-16-Oct-600x848.jpeg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 827px) 100vw, 827px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-16566\" src=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"827\" height=\"1169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct.jpeg 827w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-250x353.jpeg 250w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-300x424.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-212x300.jpeg 212w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-768x1086.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-724x1024.jpeg 724w, https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Puigdemont-letter-2-16-Oct-600x848.jpeg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 827px) 100vw, 827px\" \/><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Impact sur les enjeux \u279a\u279a \u2782 Troubles civils en Catalogne contre l'Espagne \u279a \u2781 S\u00e9cessions et changements profonds de nations au sein de l'UE... et au niveau mondial Le 16 octobre 2017 au matin, Carlos Puigdemont a r\u00e9pondu \u00e0 l'ultimatum de Madrid (voir signal pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent) par une lettre (comme affich\u00e9 ci-dessous). Cette lettre montre une volont\u00e9 de rester sur les positions exprim\u00e9es le 10 octobre, tout en essayant .... <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/17\/signals-catalonia-answers-spain-spain-jails-two-catalan-leaders\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> \" Signaux : La Catalogne r\u00e9pond \u00e0 l'Espagne, l'Espagne emprisonne deux dirigeants catalans... \"<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2502,3243,2544,1583],"tags":[2560,2549],"class_list":["post-16565","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-europe","category-future-wars","category-horizon-scanning-board","category-analysis-the-future-of-the-modern-state","tag-open-access","tag-signal","entry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Signals: Catalonia Answers Spain, Spain Jails two Catalan Leaders... &#8226; The Red Team Analysis Society<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/redanalysis.org\/fr\/2017\/10\/17\/signals-catalonie-reponse-espagne-prisons-deux-catalans-leaders\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Signals: Catalonia Answers Spain, Spain Jails two Catalan Leaders... &#8226; The Red Team Analysis Society\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Impact on Issues \u279a\u279a&nbsp;\u2782&nbsp;&nbsp;Civil Unrest in Catalonia against Spain \u279a&nbsp;\u2781&nbsp;Secessions and deep changes of nations within the EU&#8230; and globally On 16 October 2017 morning, Carlos Puigdemont answered Madrid&#8217;s ultimatum (see previous signal) through a letter (as displayed below). 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